Lobaton Pleads Guilty To Manslaughter
Mexican National Sentenced To 10 Years For Bicyclist's Death
Last updated Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:02 PM CDT in News
By Robin Mero
THE MORNING NEWS
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BENTONVILLE -- Years of police work and cooperation from immigration officials culminated Wednesday in bringing to justice a man who hit a bicyclist in 2004 then fled the scene.
Lazaro Andrade Lobaton, now 21, was sentenced to 10 years in prison for manslaughter in the death of Brandon Haley, 31, a father of three who was riding his bicycle one Sunday morning on Arkansas 68 east of Siloam Springs.
After striking Haley and causing fatal head injuries, Lobaton fled the scene and soon left the country for his native Mexico. He was captured in Alabama last November. A second felony charge of leaving the scene of a personal injury accident was filed against him.
Lobaton admitted drinking several beers in the hours before the accident. He has no felony criminal history but was convicted once of driving while intoxicated.
Riding with Haley that day was Roger Holroyd, who made a statement Wednesday before Lobaton in the courtroom of Benton County Circuit Judge David Clinger.
"Witnessing the accident was the most terrifying moment of my life. I was riding so close to Brandon that I was spattered from head to toe with his blood," Holroyd said. "There is no way you can understand how scared and lonely I was after you abandoned us and left Brandon to die with me unable to help ... or the anguish in the voices of the people I had to call that morning."
Following the hearing, Holroyd expressed frustration Lobaton can first seek parole in less than one year, having already served 10 months in jail.
"Those laws need to be changed," he said. "(Lobaton's) actions ... were violent in the extreme and (his) decision to run rather than stay to help us was absolutely deliberate."
Prosecutors unsuccessfully tried to find a more serious charge than manslaughter, which carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years, the judge said.
"All of us here agree that for such actions there ought to be a more serious penalty," Clinger said. After Lobaton leaves prison, he will serve a six-year suspended sentence.
Also making statements Wednesday were Haley's mother, Judy, and his widow, Angie -- who described her husband as "an experienced cyclist who took every precaution."
She read letters from two of the couple's three children, ages 2, 5 and 7 when their father died.
"The man you killed was my daddy and I have a question: Why were you drinking and driving?" penned one daughter, now age 8.
The hearing was so filled with emotion that even the translator faltered, asking the judge for a few moments to compose herself before resuming translation for Lobaton.
Following the hearing, the family acknowledged Deputy Prosecutor Clay Fowlkes for his years of support, and Benton County Sheriff's Office investigators Greg Hines and Geovanni Serrano, and Lt. Paul Carter.
After the accident, officials pursued the man who owned the truck Lobaton was driving. Ramon Sanchez, then 54, of Rogers was prosecuted for felony hindering apprehension, filing a false police report and two counts of insurance fraud.
Sanchez reported the 2002 Dodge truck stolen immediately following the accident. Rogers police found the truck abandoned that night and returned it to Sanchez.
However, sheriff's deputies later examined the truck and decided it was the vehicle that hit Haley. Sanchez admitted purchasing the truck and an insurance policy for Lobaton's use, since Lobaton was an illegal alien.
Lobaton was represented by Rogers attorney Janet Spencer.
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international traveler wrote on Sep 20, 2007 9:03 AM:
" This sickens me... Brandon deserves more justice then this. His Wife and Children deserve better then this. For this person to flee, then a few years later to return to this country knowing he killed an Innocent man, it's just disgusting. I hold no ill will towards the Legal System, they can only do what they are allowed to do, but this could and shuld have also been handled in the "Hispanic" community alot faster. How quick do groups like LULAC and the Mexican COnsulate move in to protect "rights" of Mexican ILLEGALS, but when one of them KILLS a US BORN, RIGHT TO BE WHERE HE WAS, DO NOTHING CITIZEN, they srcamble to Hide hime, help him get away, and cover his rear. If the "Hispanic" Community wants to be accepted and respected, this kind of stuff has to stop! Especially in NWA. I am not Right because I am White, I am right because I obey the law, and I believe in Justice, Morality, and the Rights of Others. I don't see that from the current Influx of "Hispanics", legal or Illegal. The recent raids will hopefully have a great impact. "
Madison wrote on Sep 20, 2007 9:15 AM:
" international traveler,I know what you mean.There's no justice for citizens anymore,it's all about the illegal aliens.Now the Senate is trying to slip another amnesty bill though attached to a Dept. of Defence bill called the Dream Act.If you're not a member please join Numbers USA and send faxes to our Sentors today. "
Madison wrote on Sep 20, 2007 9:34 AM:
" This is from American Patrol....
Mexican invader guilty in death of Marine and friend
Columbia, Md. -- An illegal immigrant accused of killing a Marine and his date in a DUI crash last November pleaded guilty in court on Tuesday. -- Edwardo Morales- Soriano pleaded guilty to two counts of negligent manslaughter. -- According to police, Soriano's vehicle slammed into the rear of a car... "
not so nice wrote on Sep 20, 2007 9:59 AM:
" Just want to say.. what this person did was NOT right, it presented no morals to human society, and i too beleive that this person got away with just "a slap on the hand". He was definitely in the wrong for drinking and driving in the first place, and even more so to flee the scene. harshe punishment should have been sought, however, this has nothing to do with legal or illegal status. Let's stop making out of this an issue aside the issue already at hand, someone has lost a life.. a wife, has lost a husband, a mother, her son, and his children a father.. THAT is what this is about.. only GOD will be able to serve justice, because we can be here one minute, and the next gone, and what we judged down here, wont matter up there... By the way.. I am Hispanic, very proud of my origin, raised with the right beleifs, brought up with good morals, and yes.. here legally.. thank you.. we are not all the same. "
UAfootball wrote on Sep 20, 2007 10:32 AM:
" Ok, we'll try again...
Not so nice, you're right. It's not an illegal or legal issue here. A crime was committed regardless of who did it and justice must be served. It shows me that if Benton county were wet he would have stayed home and drank his beer instead of having to go to Missouri to get more! "
sodapop wrote on Sep 20, 2007 11:16 AM:
" UAfootball -- 'Back in the day' I worked at Safeway in Little Rock and we had a Baptist Church on one side of the store and a church of Christ on the other, both conservative on the issue of liquor. We were closed on Sundays in those days, blue laws, but for Wednesday night Bible Study we kept a large stack of paper bags near the beer cooler so it could be purchased 'incognito',go figure. I think Jesus made grape juice for that wedding?? "
lil-ol-me wrote on Sep 20, 2007 11:24 AM:
" We can only hope he gets what he deserves in jail and will never see the light of day again, otherwise he will be out in a few years, not 10, and will continue reaking havoc on our society, just like all illegals do. Again I say, an eye for an eye. You kill somebody, you deserve the same. We can thank all you fine folks who think the mexicans are doing us a favor by coming here and working the jobs we don't want. What a crock. Who worked the jobs before they came here? "
sittin'duck wrote on Sep 20, 2007 12:57 PM:
" not so nice,I have to disagree.I think it is an illegal issue.If he hadn't been here to start with this man would still be alive.We're seeing more an more of these kinds of crimes everyday.How would you feel if it were your loved one? "
Tspud wrote on Sep 20, 2007 2:24 PM:
" This is a ILLEGAL issue. No matter how you try to spin it that his being an ILLEGAL is not why the accident happened is a crock. This waste of skin showed his disregard for our laws in coming here and for driving. Remember this from the article "but was convicted once of driving while intoxicated"? He should not have been here to do this crime. His running away and coming back are more crimes and show just how little regard he has for our laws as do most ILLEGALS. Unfortunately most ILLEGALs with children just reinforce these values by
continuing to break laws after they get her, ID theft, tax evasion, no license, non payment of medical bills, theft of social services, etc. It's okay though because they just want a better life.(sarcasm) It's okay because there are US citizens stealing also(sarcasm) "
cellis wrote on Sep 20, 2007 2:44 PM:
" This is definitely an illegal issue. I agree with sittin duck, if he hadn't been here to begin with then Brandon would be alive today. I knew Brandon and his wife Angie and their 3 wonderful children and it has been devastating to their entire family to lose Brandon. And then to see no real justice done only hurts more. Lobaton took an innocent life and has no remorse and only got a slap on the wrist for his crime. If we didn't let illegals into our country so easily then this could have been avoided so it's definitely an ILLEGAL ISSUE. "
Deacon wrote on Sep 20, 2007 3:37 PM:
" I feel sorry for the wife and kids that this tragic event has left behind and wish them the best in " trying " to heal their hearts...... There should be stronger laws and longer sentences in cases like this, no matter who commits the crime. And this particular case shows why WE NEED STRONGER BORDERS.
The article states that Lobaton fled the United States to go back to his native home of mexico, but was arrested in Alabama. Sounds like he let things cool down, slipped over the border, AGAIN and resumed his lifestyle in another state and more than likely with a new identity. "
Opinion 101 wrote on Sep 20, 2007 4:54 PM:
" It’s a sad situation for the victims’ family. This story has plenty of issues that have long been over looked like, immigration, alcohol sales, and tougher laws for example. Immigration is a huge problem in the U.S., but it will never be resolved until major companies try to minimize their profits and lets no fool ourselves because well all know this well never happen. Money rules the U.S. and why higher someone that might demand a higher salary when you could higher person ____ for less money and maximize your profit. Everyone would try to increase profit. Alcohol is dangerous, but it’s extremely promoted for the consumer to buy and companies want you the consumer to purchase bulk quantities. You never see milk sold as a 24 pack. The laws in the U.S. are a complete joke because they do not always apply straight across the board. Let’s take Mr. Simpson for example. He killed two individuals, but had the money to buy his freedom. Everything eventually ties back to MONEY. We all have our own opinions, which make this a great country. I favor and am against plenty of issues, but also realize that the world will never be perfect. God makes the choice on when it’s “Your Time” and for this young man it was his time. "
mexico wrote on Sep 20, 2007 8:13 PM:
" yes, this is a very sad situation that i wouldn't like to live. Drunk driving is not a very smart thing to do and applies to whites, blacks, asians, latinos ect... The subject here is about a man who ran over Brandon and fled the scene not about an illegal immigrant, what color he is, or his background. I am not defending the man; he will pay for this in jail and when judged by GOD. "
Tspud wrote on Sep 20, 2007 9:46 PM:
" As usual the mex i can thinks it's not about ILLEGALS being here after they have committed a crime. Go take a seat with Geraldo. Tell that to the cop's family in Phoenix that was killed Tuesday by an illegal immigrant who had been deported last year and had a felony warrant for aggravated assault.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0920copfolo0920.html
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sovereignty wrote on Sep 20, 2007 10:15 PM:
" i need some help understanding what is going on here. because some illegal aliens work at lower level work, especially so produce out west or the meat processors, and are reportedly a benefit to our economy we legal citizens are suppose to keep silent while our own are murdered, raped, robbed, and run over by illegals. have we as a people become so enslaved to a robust economy that we will hand over our rights, our culture, our safety and even our sovereignty- in short, our very country- to a people who do not belong here? are we so stupid as to think all 12-20 million illegal aliens work at such undesirable jobs as mentioned? how many of us would voluntarily offer our own little children on the alter of a robust economy to keep it going? how many politicians would. let it be some of their children who are victimized by the illegals and watch the fence be built and the border secured. as far as i am concerned, bush, lincoln, pryor and the like are traitors to their own. "
sovereignty wrote on Sep 20, 2007 10:24 PM:
" why is it that when we criticize the illegals some turn it into we are picking on the hispanics? lets all play by the rules here. no one is saying hispanics are bad. we are saying illegal aliens are bad, be they brown, yellow, white, etc. case in point. there are an estimated 80,000 illegal alien irishmen in this country. were it up to me we would round them up whereever they are located and send them back to their home. i care not that they are white and even if they share my last name. if they are illegal to the abyss with them. we owe them nothing. to those who argue we are a nation of immigrants i say to you that a sovereign people have a right to secure borders and especially so after 911. we are ignorant to try to create democracy in an islamic nation a zillion miles from here when our own borders are not secure. why are Arkansas men fighting and dying in iraq when the govt leaders do not even have the guts to put them on the southern borders to secure the borders and to protect our way of life? again, this is not about race, culture, creed, skin color. no, it is about legal vs illegal and there is no good arguement that can be made to justify illegal aliens being here. we allow 2 million aliens to come here legally every year, that is anough! "
mexico wrote on Sep 20, 2007 11:51 PM:
" tspud, what would you say to the family of the 12 year old boy raped in a bathroom of a football stadium by a white person? Go back to England, after all we are all immigrants and Native Americans should send us all where we came from. "
Madison wrote on Sep 21, 2007 6:53 AM:
" mexico,we have enough of our own criminals without illegals coming here commiting more crimes.Since you brought it up I have read alot of stories about Hispanics commiting sex crimes.How about the illegal uncle that raped his three year old niece?This didn't happen here locally,but you can read stories like this everyday happening around the country.What do you say to these victims families? "
Robb wrote on Sep 21, 2007 8:07 AM:
" I knew Brandon Haley and a finer man never lived. he was a good father, husband, friend and Christian. The illegal that killed him broke more than one law. He entered the USA illegally, used phoney ID to get a drivers license (if he had one), probably committed identity theft, drove drunk, had no insurance, fled the scene, reentered the USA illegally, on-and-on, ad nauseum. And he gets ten years with parole possibility in one? What kind of justice is that? And reader "Mexico" says it's NOT about being illegal. If he never came here, Brandon would be alive and laughing and living today!!!! "
otherside wrote on Sep 21, 2007 8:55 AM:
" I know that everyone always hears the bad things the hispanics do. However I am not saying that they are right and should not be punish, but because of the people that do the bad things why should all the others be considered bad and told that they should all be deported. It's almost like saying that because one white person raped a girl then they should all be sent back to England or Great Britan or France. That is one of the reasons I really do not watch the English news because all they report is the bad things illegals do, but what about all of the good things and the good people. Why don't they report the number of hispanics who finally graduate college, or the report about the illegals who work over 50 hours a week because no one else will. I'm not saying that there are no bad people, what I'm saying is don't blame the entire race becasue of the few that thier is in any race, because there are white, black, and asian murderers and rapists, it's just that for some reason they are not the targets right now because people are just to busy thinking about the hispanics and their wrong right now. So yes punish the bad the way the law allows it but don't take the few people that do wrong and blame the entire community. "
Tspud wrote on Sep 21, 2007 8:59 AM:
" Mexico, you must think that pointing at bad behavior justifies other bad behavior. That does not justify what ILLEGALS do on an everyday basis and what they teach their kids by example. This topic is about a murdering scum that should not have been here in the first place and who has shown a blatant disregard to our laws as do most ILLEGALS.
Are you referring to the article in this paper about a football game? The word rape was never mentioned in that article and this paper has a habit of using white male even when it's a Hispanic. Simple question to you: Do you think it's okay to ID theft, non payment of taxes, non payment of medical bills, drive without insurance for anyone or just ILLEGALS??? Just because some walks across border do you think I should pay for their social services? It costs over $7000 per student per year for education, should I have to pay for that? "
Tspud wrote on Sep 21, 2007 9:04 AM:
" Otherside has a good point "So yes punish the bad the way the law allows" So let's start enforcing the current laws. If we used Mexico's laws on immigration, ILLEGALS would be in much worse trouble.
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UAfootball wrote on Sep 21, 2007 9:06 AM:
" We shouldn't let foreign tourists ever come into this country again because they have been known to drink and drive and take innocent lives. The crime here is drinking and driving; not being legal or illegal or being a tourist. Would it matter if the person killed was ran over by an old white drunkard? How many times does this happen in the US? Focus on the real issue here. "
UAfootball wrote on Sep 21, 2007 9:08 AM:
" Soda pop, is it true that it's the reason why Arkansas liquor stores are allowed to have drive-thrus? So, the church going community can get their beer without actually having to go into the liquor store and be seen? "
Numbers Lady wrote on Sep 21, 2007 9:16 AM:
" To Mexico - This is ALL about illegals. This man will get a LESSER sentence because he is illegal. Because the govt. wouldn't want to be accused of being racist! I hope he burns in the place down yonder! To Otherside - Don't even give me the crap of "hispanics working 50 hours a week because no one else will". I work two jobs so my kids can eat. Give me a freaking break! "
Tspud wrote on Sep 21, 2007 11:15 AM:
" The crime here is coming across the border ILLEGALLY and driving without a license or insurance and ID theft and felony re-entry. Crime happens everyday but we don't need to import it. UASoccer tries to use the same intellectually dishonest argument that 2 wrongs make a right.(3 lefts do) "
Opinion 101 wrote on Sep 21, 2007 12:11 PM:
" The U.S. has plenty of problems. People kill people on a dialy basis, but when we dont kill each other we are sent to other countries to die. IRAQ! Everyone needs to get over the immigration issue, drinking & driving, and other felonies that occured because the goverment is okay with all issues mentioned in this forum. If you dont think so look around and see what has been done to change current conditions. Our president still thinks we need humans dieing in Iraq to prove a point. What point? Who knows! 911 caused many lives so the gov't sends millions to fight a "war" that has no solution. Not only did people come kill our people we (Mr. Bush) send our people to get killed. Like I stated earlier, we have plenty of problems, but until the goverment thinks its a real issue nobody is going to do anything about it.
It's not about hispanics, blacks, whites, green, or purple.
In my opinion its about laws being broken and not enough action taking place to enforce our laws.
If someone committed a crime and was punished the way our laws say they should be punished I believe fewer crimes would be committed.
I dont think you should be sent to jail for 10 yrs and only need to serve 7 yrs. You are enforcing a law so dont reward the wrong with less time. "
sovereignty wrote on Sep 21, 2007 5:08 PM:
" please help me to understand something that i am not grasping in some of these messages. if a person is here illegally and does a crime then how can anyone say that the issue is the criminal behavior and that the status of the individual does not matter? does that mean that were there no illegal aliens here that a legal citizen would have done the deed? i only have 2 associate college dgrees and one 4 year bachelor's degree so i am not a brainiac. someone please help me on this. "
sovereignty wrote on Sep 21, 2007 5:17 PM:
" to mexico: we have enough legal citizens harming other legal citizens. we do not need illegal aliens here to raise the crime rates. again, i say we as a sovereign nation have a right to have laws governing immigration and a right to enforce the laws. i bet the Native American Indians wish now that had grouped together and kept out the likes of my people (we came here from England in 1643). i choose to learn from history and not repeat their mistakes. let me ask this, what if this country decided to invade mexico and take it over. what would you say about that? i wonder if you would want us to live by the law then? "
sovereignty wrote on Sep 21, 2007 5:22 PM:
" to UA football: i respectfully suggest you stick with the topic of football. you would be the first to scream i bet about KY not playing by the rules this weekend. again, were they not here then the incident would not have happend, or are you a fatalist that says that if it is your time to die on a given day that somehow it will happen even if a meteorite has to fall out of the sky? let it be your kid who is killed by an illegal alien and lets see what you have to say then. "
TashaTchin wrote on Sep 21, 2007 5:23 PM:
" Since most illegal aliens come here from Latin American countries and by far the most come from Mexico, it might help if statistics were looked at with regard to DUI arrests...
In 2001, MADD reported 44.1 percent of California's drunk driving arrests were of Hispanics, while, officially, they made up just 31.3 percent of the population.
During a 13-month period, from December 2004 through December 2005, 1,066 people were convicted in Napa County of DUI or the lesser charge of reckless driving while under the influence. Of those convictions 41 percent, or 439 individuals, had Hispanic surnames. Census figures released last month report the Hispanic population in the county is about 28 percent.
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TashaTchin wrote on Sep 21, 2007 5:25 PM:
" Hispanic drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes are more likely to be intoxicated than members of other ethnic and racial groups, according to statistics compiled by state researchers. The study by the Highway Safety Research Center at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill was based on information from law enforcement agencies. It states that 7.04 percent of Hispanic drivers involved in crashes in 2005 were intoxicated, compared with 4.87 percent of Native Americans, 2.82 percent of whites and 2.28 percent of blacks. Vasquez said the majority of Hispanic DWI offenders are young, male, single and often without an authority figure to provide guidance.
In Dallas County, where Hispanics comprise 20 percent of the population, Hispanic males are twice as likely as non-Hispanic white males or African American males to be injured or killed in an alcohol-related traffic crash.
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TashaTchin wrote on Sep 21, 2007 5:26 PM:
" Of the estimated 186 million adult drivers aged 21 or older, 1.2 million (0.6 percent) had been arrested for DUI in the past 12 months. Male drivers aged 21 or older (1.1 percent) were five times more likely to have been arrested for DUI during the past year than adult female drivers (0.2 percent).
Among adults, younger drivers were more likely than older drivers to have been arrested in the past year for DUI. The past year DUI arrest rate for drivers aged 50 or older was low (0.2 percent), but past year DUI arrest rates were higher among the younger age groups. For example, 0.7 percent of drivers aged 35 to 49 were arrested for DUI during the past year, and 1.6 percent of drivers aged 21 to 25 reported a past year DUI arrest (Figure 1).
Among racial/ethnic groups, American Indians/Alaska Natives (2.5 percent) had the highest past year arrest rate for DUI, followed by Hispanics (1.3), non-Hispanic blacks (0.8), non-Hispanic whites (0.5), Hawaiian ans other Pacific Islanders (0.3) while Asians (0.2 percent) had the lowest rate (Figure 2).6
http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k5/DUIarrests/DUIarrests.htm
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Madison wrote on Sep 21, 2007 7:05 PM:
" TashaTchin,thank you so much for that info.That just makes my day.I've been reading that drinking and driving among Hispanics men is more like a tradition. "
Tspud wrote on Sep 21, 2007 7:05 PM:
" TashaTchin, haven't you realized that facts mean nothing to the ILLEGAL immigrant supporter? I am still waiting for a response from mexico about "Do you think it's okay to ID theft, non payment of taxes, non payment of medical bills, drive without insurance for anyone or just ILLEGALS???" They can't defend the position of these thefts so they will cry I am a racist when in fact I am a taxpayer who sees them as thieves & criminals. How easy it is to say "they just want a better life" or "citizens commit crimes also" or "stop making racists comments". None of which are arguments to justify breaking the law and making me pay for it. "
3744 wrote on Sep 22, 2007 1:43 AM:
" otherside; I worked 56 hours this week, does that mean it's ok for me to commit crimes? "
3744 wrote on Sep 22, 2007 1:57 AM:
" When will you get it? Just being in this country without permission is against the LAW! It doesn't matter if you haven't committed any other crime since you've been here you are still a criminal for being in this country ILLEGALLY! Just because el presidente encourages you to jump the border doesn't make it legal. I wonder how many ciitzens would still be alive if we had border security...and no illegal aliens...how many children would still have their parents...how many parents would still have their children? "
sovereignty wrote on Sep 23, 2007 8:26 PM:
" every day of my life i acknowledge the fact that my freedoms have been bought and paid for by the blood of past generations. just last eve i watched yet again the movie saving private ryan. i wonder what those men would say to us today about the issue of secure borders and illegal immigration? no one that i know begrudges another legal citizen his right at the table of this grand republic- regardless his skin color or nation of origin- but most people i know do dislike the idea of people being here illegally. i feel for the good, legal, honest hispanics who probably are made to feel uncomfortable at times because so many of their own are illegal. i hope you can see that we here make a distinction between you the legal and you the illegal. "
otherside wrote on Sep 24, 2007 2:13 PM:
" 3744 Please don't twist my words. I'm not saying that it is okay for anybody to committ a crime, I just saying don't blame the entire race for the acts of the few. It seems like lately the media only reports the bad why don't they report the good a lot of the hard working people do. It's like I said yes punish the bad the way the laws allow it. Those people who do the serios crime do deserve serios punishment. I think it is a waste of time to spend our money with little things like no license no drivers license, knowing that they can not even obtain it. Ilike to see my money really go to good use like covicting any murderer, rapist, and any drug related offense it is serious things like this that our money should be spent on when it comes to criminal activity and I am not saying limit it to these crimes only. "
Deacon wrote on Sep 24, 2007 3:16 PM:
" otherside.......Obviously you are NOT familiar with our laws either. So how about I come over to your house each day and take $25 or $50 from you every day, I mean it's just a little bit of money and not really worth having me arrested each time, since that money could go for more serious crimes. Sounds like a great idea to me!! You see that is why we have misdemeanor and felony laws to enforce. You may think no license or drivers license is not worth enforcing, but it is. And in this country if you can't get a license, for whatever reason, then you have NO business driving a vehicle, no matter how important you may think it is to do so. PERIOD! YOU nor I can pick and choose what laws should be enforced. Abided by them all and no one should have a problem. "
sodapop wrote on Sep 24, 2007 5:34 PM:
" Deacon--Those things were not important the last election. Some of you people elected the Republicans because of their love for Jesus and hate for the homosexuals and such. The next election people should at least check out the pack of wannabes for their real beliefs. The beliefs that actually effect the common person. "
3744 wrote on Sep 25, 2007 7:49 PM:
" otherside; I guess it is ok if I don't pay the $25.00 fee for a drivers license or the $600.00 I pay a year for car insurance; which, goes up every year, because when illegals hit us and have no insurance, our insurance has to pay the bill. That means even when it is not my fault, my insurance has to pay. My car insurance has gone up an average of $8.00 every year. I haven't had a wreck or a ticket in over 11 years, I've never had a DUI. Why does my insurance go up? To cover for all the DUI wrecks that illegals, with no license and no insurance are causing. Why are our taxes going up? To pay for new schools, because of all the illegals here having children that they can't afford to take care of. You are the one making this about race, I want people to come here legally or stay home. We take in 2 million immigrants a year, that's enough. We have rules and laws here, that is why this is a great country and people want to live here. We don't want people whose first action is to break the law by coming here illegally, WE HAVE ENOUGH CRIMINALS OF OUR OWN, WE DON'T WANT MORE. One third of our prison population are illegal aliens, considering they make up less than 5% of the poplulation that's pretty amazing. "
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sittin'duck wrote on Sep 20, 2007 2:27 AM: